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for a united states senate seat in 2014. i guess. really, iowa? not a problem? happy >> i wish this wasn't true, and i do have a prediction for you and that is that you have not done your last segment about a republican who believes there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq. >> you have some other things to say about joni ernst. you are correct. she'll be the leader on the caucus on the new senate. oh, my god. thanks. so what is the most important thing at stake in the midterm elections? it is, of course, the control of the senate. you've heard that already. but the supreme court showed how important that is once again today, because the senate controls judicial appointments, and the courts have the final
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say on the important laws of our land. >> when you woke up this morning, 19 states allowed same-sex marriage. >> as of yesterday, there were 19 states that granted same-sex marriage. >> a major surprise by the supreme court. >> on the very first day of its new term. >> the justices decide not to hear five same sex marriage appeals. >> the justices denied appeals from five states. >> first, the number of five. >> seeking to ban same sex marriages. >> indiana, oklahoma, wisconsin, virginia and utah. those five and will soon become 11. >> colorado, wyoming. north carolina, south carolina, west virginia. so we can expect marriage to start soon in those other states. >> state officials began issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples for the first time in virginia.
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>> the total now stands at 30 states. >> all as a consequence of what the supreme court didn't do today. today's decision by the united states supreme court will bring marriage equality to 11 more states. the supreme court declined to hear appeals to federal court decisions that overturned bans on same sex marriage in five states, utah, oklahoma, virginia, indiana and wisconsin. that means marriage equality is coming to those states almost immediately. there are challenges to bans on marriage equality from six more states. in front of those same appeals courts. those bans will also be overturned. that will leave just 20 states with bans on same-sex marriage, meaning more than 60% of americans will live in states where marriage equality is legal.
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ted cruz released this statement. the supreme court's decision to let rulings by lower court judges stand that redefine marriage is both tragic and indefensible. the supreme court is abdicating its duty to uphold the constitution. this is judicial activism at its worst. i will be introducing a constitutional amendment to prevent the courts from striking downstate marriage laws. oklahoma's conservative governor said the will of the people has now been overridden by unelected federal justices, accountable to no one. rights have once again been trampled by an out of control federal government. but scott walker simply surrendered. for us, it's over in wisconsin. the federal courts have ruled that this decision by this court of appeals decision is the law of the land, and we will be
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upholding it. louisiana's republican governor bobby jindal said this. >> i'm a believer in traditional marriage. i know that polls show that people's views are changing on this. on this issue, i'm not a weather vane like president obama or hillary clinton. i happen to believe that marriage is between a man and woman. i believe in traditional marriage, but the ball is in the court's court if you will. >> in virginia where marriage licenses were granted today, shortly after the court's action. >> you are joined in marriage as wife and wife. you may kiss your bride. [cheers and applause] >> joining me now is pete williams, nbc news justice correspondent, and pete
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williams, take us through what happened in the court today and how predictable this was. it seems justice scalia predicted this when the court did their -- >> predicted the eventuality of it. we get a list of the new cases over the summer. buried in it are the simple one lines in the list of case the supreme court is not going to take. and on these two pages were the marriage cases from the five states. so that is all the supreme court said, no reasons. no explanations. that's the way it normally works. so, you know, what happened here, i think, we have to do a little guessing on. it takes four votes to grant a case. so for example the four conservatives might have been expected to say we need to look
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at these lower court rulings that struck down bans against same-sex marriage in these states, but they would only do that, likely, if they thought they had a fifth vote to win, and that is anthony kennedy, and they may have well decided they don't have him. so what about the liberals? why did they not want to take these cases up? and i think there we have to sort of give our tip of the hat to ruth bader ginsberg who practically told us if we'd been listening hard enough when she said if there's not a split in the circuits we probably won't get involved or we shouldn't. and there wasn't a split in the circuits. all those decisions unanimously said that the bans had to be struck down. so they may well simply say, sit back, let more states join the party, and then ultimately the supreme court won't have to rule, or when it does, the liberals may well have thought, it will be a much shorter road
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for us to get all the way there. now, as for the effect, you've talked about it pretty clearly. immediately, marriage will go ahead in those five states where the bans have been challenged. they've already started their marriage licenses, they've already been issued. in those other six states in those other federal circuits it's a little less of a clear picture. the laws of those states, the green states. that's tenth circuit you're looking at there in the west, the utah and the oklahoma decisions we know what that is, it applies to new mexico but they already have same sex marriage. that's the law of the circuit there. colorado was already starting to issue same sex marriages. wyoming and kansas say they're going to wait and see and continue to fight it. similar sentiment in some of the other states in the fourth circuit clustered around virginia. and wisconsin and indiana, illinois already has same-sex marriage. so i think what would the
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ultimate effect be if a lower court ruled the other way and said yes, a state can ban same-sex marriage. the supreme court may then decide to get involved. but what would it do? would it really be in a position where it would say we're going to let marriages continue, go ahead and get married. but in a year or so say never mind? it seems less likely now. >> it certainly does seem that the opposition to marriage equality on the court is thin. and it makes me wonder, is there any speculation that it is possible that they didn't even have the four votes that they really didn't make it even to the threshold of four to admit, to consider these cases? >> four votes to grant a case, as you say. we just don't know. i mean, my guess would be that they probably did, but they just weren't sure that if they did grant the case they would have justice kennedy for the all-important fifth vote to win the decision. but, you know, you're right.
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maybe chief justice roberts said now is not the time. who knows. maybe they were unanimous in saying they didn't want to take the case. we don't know. >> justice black, your home state now, marriage equality is legal. i can't imagine what that must feel like for you. >> i have a lot of family in utah. i have a lot of family in virginia. and most of my family in the texas. so it's a day of celebration, i'll tell you that. and a lot ever phone calls back to utah and virginia and congratulations. but what about texas? you know, there's a lot of people who were left out of this today, and they're wondering how much longer they have to wait. i love that we have equality in utah and equality is creeping into the south. but there's a side of me that really wishes the supreme court had taken this up, to make a sweeping decision to once and for all say that the constitution applies to gay and
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lesbian people. can you get married in virginia. but if you put your wedding photo up at work, you could still legally be fired. so the protection of that constitution, that peace that could have come with the sweeping decision, we didn't get even the chance at today. so there's a little disappointment. we'll get to that tomorrow. >> let's listen to what ruth bader ginsberg says she thinks is going to happen tomorrow. she does believe that the court will eventually have to take this up directly. >> sooner or later, yes, the question will come to the court. but the remarkable thing is how attitudes in this country have changed on that issue, and i attribute it to gay people ready to stand up and say who they are.
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when they do that, people look around, and it was their next door neighbor of whom they were very fond. it was their child's best friend. even their child. so people began to understand. >> stewart milk when i see a supreme court justice say that and say that people looked around and people began to understand, i got to believe that she's including in those people possibly some supreme court justices. [ laughter ] >> well, i'm not going to go there, but, you know, certainly history has shown us that that can be true, but, you know, the piece that, where she said we're going to have to actually take this up. and this piggyback on what was already said, what we want then to do is include sexual orientation under heightened scrutiny, a heightened classification like race and
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sex. and this would strike down all of the laws that discriminate on lgbt people. but this is definitely a day of celebration, lawrence. i've got pictures coming in of same sex couples getting married in the south. i was just in south carolina yesterday. i was with equality south carolina. these were folks who didn't have much hope. and now they going to have marriage equality. and i got an e-mail from georgia, a little town where a very young gay couple said we now feel that we have hope because south carolina has it. you know, my uncle gave me this little book, the u.s. constitution. and, you know, he told me that this prevents the majority from discriminating against the minority. and this constitution is being upheld. now it's never fast enough. justice and equality never moves quick enough. but i have tremendous respect
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that not only is the country moving ahead, but that this court is going to take up this question. but today is definitely a day of celebration. >> pete williams says you look at the horizon and ruth bader ginsberg says they will eventually have to take that up. when do you think that will be and in what form? >> there's two places that could have decisions. the fifth circuit, the texas case isn't very far along yet, but, you know, that could well be one of them. the other case everyone's watching is the sixth circuit, ohio and michigan cases. that could come out any day now. it did look at the argument like there was one vote on each side with maybe the deciding vote being jeffrey sutton. now remember, he's a republican appointee, but he's also one of the judges who voted to uphold obamacare. so he is, he is somewhat unpredictable. he's probably the least pleased
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person in america right now. because it means he's going to have to go ahead and write that decision. if the supreme court has said it was going to take the case, it would have taken a lot of pressure off of him. now that court has to deliver. how will it go? who knows. in terms of timing, i think, if a court does now reach a contrary ruling and say yes. this state can ban same sex marriage, then i don't think it's going to come before the supreme court this term. we'll probably have to wait a year, and who knows how many states will accept same sex marriage in the year intervening time. >> we may be a moment or two away from that moment when the supreme court does rule. and it seems by the momentum of where this is going, rule in a 50-state ruling that legalizes marriage equality. >> yeah. that looks like where we're headed, and i frankly have to say, it's life saving to think that people, young gay and lesbian people when they fall in
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love know that they're no longer second class citizens because of that beautiful feeling in their heart, but guess what, that day is coming. i think we all see it's inevitable now. there's work to see that it is a reality. but we have to get to work in this country, making sure that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people are not discriminated at work and can keep their home. then we will be closer to a place where i'm ready to celebrate. >> thank you very much. joe biden spent his time apologizing to u.s. allies. and as the ebola outbreak continues, the first case contracted outside of africa was reported. and a federal judge writes new rules for the police in ferguson, missouri. [ breathing deeply ]
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except that the people who were being supplied were al nusra and al qaeda and the extremist elements from jihadis coming from other parts of the world. >> the vice president apologized for any implication that turkey or allies and partners in the region had intentionally supplied and facilitated the growth of isil or other violent extremists in syria. joining me is michael weiss and steve clemons for atlantic magazine. that's what he gets, the vice president, for speaking at harvard, to those harvard students, where clearly someone gave him truth serum before he stood up there. >> i think joe biden sometimes forgets the camera is on. i know there are differences of opinion about this. but joe biden is a deeply informed person.
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has dealt not only with top leaders of the world today but layers of them. so when he makes a comment like this that opens up, you know, well, you debate it's right or wrong, and people want to call it a gaff, he nonetheless has an understanding of the tectonics of these issues, and there is great truth in much of my view to what he has said. >> let's listen to josh earnest about this. >> the fact that he called the leaders to apologize is an indication that he himself wishes that he had said it a little bit differently, but the fact of the matter is, we are pleased with the degree of coordination, cooperation that we're getting with countries around the globe, including countries in the region on this effort. >> michael weiss, these allies who are cooperating do have a complicated history with this. and i'm sure they don't like being reminded of that. >> well, and also, look, diplomacy 101, you want to build
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a coalition to go to war, the worst thing can you do is humiliate you and embarrass you. >> you're at harvard university or anywhere and you're asked some questions about what these people have done, what these countries have done. you can try to lie about it. >> right. but the truth of it is the history of it is so blatant, it's so bad that, you know, what else is he supposed to do? and what's wrong with them hearing that they've done things pretty badly in the past? >> they've been hearing nothing but that. if you read, the international press lately all it seems to be concerned with is saying our problems in the middle east are saudi arabia, qatar, turkey and sometimes jordan. there's a conspicuous absence of the actors that are to blame. the actors are bashar al-assad,
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the republican of iran and russia. this is kicked off because assad kicked off fire on peaceful protesters. i'm critical of the open border policy which allowed troops to cross the border. they say oh, no. they cooperate enter syria with arms. they were just tourists. the fundamental truth is, the u.s. did not really have a syria policy. in 2011, president obama said he can save the country from ruin. hillary clinton said we don't know who the opposition is. they could be al qaeda. they could be hamas. they outsourced their policy to saudi arabia. that's the reason that the syrian coalition, the national council consisted mostly of muslim brotherhood frontal organizations.
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now we're saying because we didn't want to get involved. because we didn't want to be bothered and said to all our friends, okay, you sort it out. and they have their own interests to pursue, and it's like herding cats, now all of a sudden it's our problem. we've managed something like 60 humvees that belong to us. that's most expensive repo opposition in man kind. we're really doing the policy by going through syria. it's about minimizing that capability in iraq. >> steve clemons, there are hotspots in the world of a
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complexity level that defy anything you could call policy. i'm, i just think the very phrase foreign policy in the modern world has become an absurdity. it is a situation game played day to day that depends on all sorts of circumstances. it's circumstance management, not policy. >> that's right. the tectonics are very fragile. michael has described parts of this. but syria has been a civil war on top of which there have been regional players wanting to influence the middle of that, including iran and russia, and he's absolutely right that joe biden should have referenced those. that being said, that doesn't mean that the united states had an obligation or an opportunity in my view to actually come in and own this in any way. there's a comment that hillary clinton and others have made that they could have done that.
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meanwhile, the sixth american infected with ebola, a cameraman who worked in africa was able to walk with assistance from a plane to an ambulance after arriving in nebraska today. he will receive an experimental treatment to combat the disease. earlier today, president obama said this. >> in recent months, we've had thousands of travelers arriving here from west africa, and so far one case of ebola's been diagnosed in the united states, and that's the patient in dallas. >> 350 u.s. army personnel are on the ground now in africa trying to build a hospital for sick workers. more troops are expected to be deployed by the end of the month. this will be part of the $1 billion the administration is setting aside. president obama says the
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international community needs to do more. >> i'll be very honest with you. although we have seen great interest on the part of the international community, we have not seen other countries step up as aggressively as they need to. and i said at the united nations, and i will repeat that this is an area where everybody has to chip in, and everybody has to move quickly in order for us to get this under control. countries that think they can sit on the sidelines and just let the united states do it, that will result in a less-effective response, a less-speedy response, and that means that people die. >> joining me now, dr. robert gary, a tulane neurologist who has conducted research on ebola cases in sierra leone. how much more and ma specific
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things would you expect other countries could do? >> well, for one thing, we need to put some more resources into sierra leone. it's great that we're going to put some hospitals up in liberia, but there are other countries, in particular, sierra leone that need resources put in, we need to put treatment centers there as well. >> and the white house press secretary josh earnest talked about the fact that the administration is not considering any kind of travel ban here in the united states. what's your reaction to that? >> well, i think that's correct. i mean, we can put some technology into place. we can put some information technology into place. we can tell where people have been and where they come from, so that should be one thing that we can do. que measure their temperature. we could even put some other kinds of technology in place if somebody came in with some symptoms, like some rapid tests that could diagnose the disease on the spot. >> we see in high beer yeah and
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other places that people are getting their temperatures taken very quickly and as a screener. is there any argument for doing that, with, say, people getting off of international flights here in the united states? >> well, if they come from the areas that are affected by ebola, it makes some sense to me. >> and the, there's a hospital in liberia, the jfk general hospital that said, there they said instead of 3,000 troops, it would be better to send 300 doctors. talk about the supply of doctors and how you could get more doctors into the action there. >> well, obviously, we need more doctors, but the military can serve a role. nobody does logistics like the u.s. military. so if they could help like getting in things like fuel, vehicles, food and water, if we're going to put people into quarantine, they need the basic
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human resources. so this is one thing the u.s. military can do better than anybody else. getting doctors in is something that needs to be done. let's hope that the vaccine program works well so we can protect those people when we put them on the ground there. >> you talk to physicians about possibly going over there, what are their inhibitions? >> well, i mean, it's a dangerous situation, when you're treating ebola patients. there is no cure right now. there's no protective vaccine. so you really are putting it all on the line when but it to treat or care for an ebola patient. >> and a physician who's already practicing anywhere is leaving some patients behind wherever they're working in order to go do that, which is not an easy thing, i assume, for doctors to do. >> well, that's true, too. but this outbreak in west africa needs to be addressed, as the president has said.
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democratic senate will never become law with a republican house to block it. and legislation passed by a slight republican majority in the senate and a republican house would then be vetoed by president obama. and so in either case, very little is likely to happen, legislatively, no matter who controls the senate, and that's true enough, but governing includes much more than legislating. citizens united is not the name of legislation passed by congress and signed by the president. it is the name of a supreme court decision that changed campaign finance law in america in hugely important ways. rowe and wade were not members of the senate, but litigants whose historic case made abortion legal in all 50 states. a presidency lives on after its term of office in the federal judiciary. when a new president comes in, he or she can replace virtually everyone in appointed office except judges.
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so the presence of bill clinton was felt today when kathryn perry who was confirmed by the senate exactly 20 years ago today ordered new rules in how protesting crowds should be treated by police in ferguson. >> what are the rules tonight? >> the rules are people, we're going to get people to come on our parking lot area here. this is where we would like them to be. i just talked to a group. and we want them to come here whenever they are tired of walking. and we want them to come here and congregate here. >> reporter: but if they don't, if they gather on city streets and corners -- >> we're not going to allow them to gather on city streets. >> reporter: but how do you stop them from gathering on city streets? >> we have rules here, that you must continue to walk or gather here.
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>> it was because of that improvised rule that we saw protestors constantly moving in ferguson less they be in trouble. none of us raised the obvious protests that the keep-moving-rule is obviously unconstitutional. the aclu knew it was unconstitutional on august 18, the night they were told they would have to continue to walk. one of the aclu people was told he could not stand still. on that same day, the aclu used that to bring a lawsuit against the police. and today, judge kathryn perry said the police improvised rule is unconstitutional. in a 25-page decision she wrote, the keep-moving policy as it was
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applied, prohibited citizens from peacefully assembling on the public sidewalks. the rule provided no notice to citizens of what conduct was unlawful and its enforcement was entirely arbitrary and left to the unfettered discretion of the officers on the street. she quoted a 1986 case. the loss of first amendment freedom the for even minimal periods of time unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury. thanks to a judge appointed by bill clinton 20 years ago and confirmed by a democratically controlled senate, protesters will be able to exercise their constitutional right to not walk. (receptionist) gunderman group.
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the new york times is making a new push for the legalization of marijuana. in an editorial published on sunday shall the times argued that the proposed ballot initiatives to legalize the use of marijuana in alaska and the district of columbia are all worthy of passage. the sky over colorado has not fallen and the prohibition has proved to be a complete failure. it's time to bring the marijuana market out into the open and end the injustice of the convictions that have devastated communities. up next, cecille richards joins me to talk about that decision in texas today about women's reproductive rights. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure,
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with a little help from us, they actually doubled their output speed. a hundred percent bump in efficiency. if you just need a loan, just call a bank. but at ge capital, we're builders. and what we know... can help you grow. tonight, texas abortion providers filed an application with the u.s. supreme court, asking to put a hold on a decision by a federal appeals court. that decision last thursday allowed texas to begin enforcing one of the strictest provisions of the state's new law, closing 13 more facilities that perform abortions in that state. since the restrictive package of laws was passed in july of 2013, half the clinics have closed because of the provisions that they have admitting rights at a local hospital.
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and the ruling leaves only eight clinics left in the entire state. all are in major cities, and none are in west texas or south of san antonio. on meet the press yesterday, chuck todd asks rnc chairman rience priebus about that. >> you don't like a lot of regulation on businesses, except if the business is an abortion clinic. 80% of these abortion clinics in texas are going to be basically out of business because of this new law. too much regulation? is that fair? >> you obviously have to talk to someone in texas, but the fact of the matter is we brief that any woman facing an unplanned pregnancy deserves respect, counseling. >> they have to drive two or 300
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miles for that compassion? >> the issue is whether you use taxpayer money to fund abortion. that's the one issue that separates this issue. >> joining us, cecille richards. but the last thing that rience priebus just said, he says that the only issue for him and for republicans is using taxpayer funding to pay for abortions. that is absolutely not true. they want to make all abortion illegal. >> right. it had absolutely nothing to do with this matter. the report you talked about earlier, what they've done in texas is essentially closed down almost every provider in the state. it has nothing to do with women's health and created a public health crisis. we had planned parenthood focused on the safety and care of women. we've been flooded with calls,
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women showing up on the doorstep whose doctors have been closed down because of this court ruling. >> the passage of the law gave us what is now the gubernatorial campaign of wendy davis. let's take a look at when she was trying to fill buster this bill. >> the true intention of these bills is to attack a basic human right. this is 2013. and any woman who lives in texas has the ability to choose her own legal and medically safe choices, guaranteed by the supreme court of the united states of america. >> that phrase there, medically safe, which is what the law pretends to be addressing when they say, you know, we need it to be affiliated with major hospitals, all those kinds of things that they're adding. they couldn't produce in the legislative debate about this all the horrible medical outcomes that were happening in
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these facilities that they were trying to pretend were unsafe. >> correct. this is a series of laws that have been passed now in texas. first rick perry and greg abbott closed down clinics that provided family planning services, cancer screening. now they've passed these bills that essentially many providers have closed down. you have women living in south texas and west texas that live hundreds of miles from the closest health care provider. it is a crisis, because these politicians have put their agenda ahead of the health care of women. >> west texas, i mean, it is an area bigger than new england. it is just, you drive. >> right. >> i drove through west texas once in my life. >> and never forgot it. >> right. you can't exaggerate what kind of distance and burden is placed on people when you say none of these are in west texas. >> correct. no, and i think this is a cautionary tale.
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look, we're talking about texas. but there are folks running for office in many, every single close senate race in the country who are proposing very similar things. supporting cory gardner in colorado wants personhood, that would outlaw abortion in the country. look at the race with kay hagan. i think9 texas is a cautionary tale for us. >> i go back to rience priebus where he tries to suggest that it is not part of their platform to outlaw abortion and to outlaw it in all cases, rape, incest, that is the standard republican party position. >> absolutely. and it's so interesting to see, none of them want to talk about it. i don't see any of them proudly running on their record to end
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access to birth control, to safe and legal abortion. they're trying to pretend it's something else. we're seeing in texas it matters to women and matters to families. >> they know that the rape and incest position that they hold, that that, that every woman who is raped and becomes pregnant from it or every woman who is a victim of incest and becomes pregnant from it. every one of those girls, frequently, teenage girls must and should carry that baby to term. that is something they never want to publicly say, despite the fact that it is their position. >> it is clear, they don't even think about the impact. they're running on this for a political platform. planned parenthood, we're a health care of provider. we see women from all walks of life who need access to not only abortion but birth control which republicans have also fought. it's time to take women's health issues out of politics.
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>> while we're watching easy progress on marriage equality, it's astonishing. cecille richards, thank you for joining me. a fight on all fronts. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews. up in philadelphia, four big battles in the news tonight, one with african countries in chaos, the u.s. gets thrown into the front line in the ebola fight. two, the united states supreme court refuses to fight gay marriage sex, 30 states now will honor same-sex marriage. three, why can't democrats get some respect for fighting the jobs war? even with ten million new jobs

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